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COMPETITION TIRES for the MGA - TI-101B
As to "racing" tires, there is a huge difference in grip and tread wear between race tires and street tires. On a grip scale from 1 to 10, all race tires are 9 or 10 (on dry pavement) while street tires range between 0 and 3 (yes there are a few 0's), and there is precious little in between. There are a few "Ultra High Performance" street tires that might merit a 5, but all low profile and wide requiring wheels larger in width and diameter. The smallest currently available race tire for a 15-inch wheel will be 205-50-15. The flip side of maximum grip is that real race tires have a tread life expectancy of maybe two to three hours on the track or about 5000-8000 miles of casual street use. They are also very expensive and no good at all on wet pavement, so you would normally reserve those for competition and drive something more civil on the street. Race tires are not hard to find. Go to any tire distributor web site and look for "Competition Tires".
On a more sensible note, when most people ask about the "best tire for my car", they are usually wanting street tires with the best possible grip. The Holy Grail of street tires is finding a 5 for the price of a 3, but more likely you will find that a 5 is closer to the price of a 10. As such, most sensible people will settle for a 3 for street use on a vintage sports car. For a few people when price is not the primary factor, the search for the 5 is on for serious. This may include vintage racers who find certain restrictions on type of tire allowed in their particular racing class. It may also include street drivers who get serious about occasional track days or autocross events, but won't be buying separate wheels and race tires for 1% of their total driving time. A fairly large number of MGA Twin Cam and "Deluxe" owners seem to be seriously addicted to this idea, wanting to be able to "put the car through it's paces" when they might get a chance at some track time. To that end, this is more about the search for the best "5", which may be twice the price but doesn't require a second mortgage on the house. A good place to catch a lot of this discussion is in the MGA Twin Cam Enthusiasts Group on the Yahoo Groups server. For instance:
On 9/26/2011 +0000, Lin with Twin Cam YD3-1796 wrote:
"Hopefully my Twin Cam will get on the road within the next month, so I'm in the market for new tires. I found Coker sells tires in the correct size. Vredestein ($111) and Michelin ($278), can anyone comment on whether the Michelins are worth the nearly 3x price? I put Michelins on my daily driver, but the significantly greater HP warrants the investment. Are there other options for tires that fit"?
Vredestein Sprint Classic
Bill Spohn then asked the right question:
"What do you do with your car? If you putter around town going to shows, rarely exceeding 4000 rpm, the Vredesteins will do just fine. If you actually drive the cars the way they were intended to be driven (and VERY few owners do this) then something better than the Vredesteins is in order, but it means adding an inch to the rim width".
To which Lin replied:
"While I do not plan on taking my car on track as a practice, some rallies like the Bluegrass 1000 have a stop at a speedway, so a safe reliable tire is important".
Addendum September 6, 2017:
A word of CAUTION here. While many people heap praises on the Vredestein Sprint Classic tire for great stick and good handling, you should keep in mind that it is a summer competition tire, and not so great for common street use, especially in cold weather. Tread rubber compound is soft, and tread wear rating is low (only 200), so expect short tread life. If you ever expect to drive the car in freezing temperatures, DO NOT BUY THIS TIRE. Notice this admonishment from the tire Rack web site:
"Tires exposed to temperatures of 20 degrees F (-7 degrees C) or lower must be permitted to gradually return to temperatures of at least 40 degrees F (5 degrees C) for at least 24 hours before they are flexed in any manner, such as by adjusting inflation pressures, mounting them on wheels, or using them to support, roll or drive a vehicle. --- Flexing of the specialized rubber compounds used in Grand Touring Summer tires during cold-weather use can result in irreversible compound cracking. While compound cracking is not a warrantable condition because it occurs as the result of improper use or storage, tires exhibiting compound cracking must be replaced".
Rod Green in South Africa added:
"Blockley tires are available in 550x15. I paid GBP 100 each. They are pleasingly high profile and at the same time are a softer compound than normal road tires. Has anyone experience of Blockley on post war MG's? Info is on their website". www.blockleytyre.com
To which Lin replied:
"I have Blockley tires for my PA. They're great looking, but I can't speak towards performance as I have not worked up the nerve to drive my PA aggressively enough to find out. I thought Blockley only produced tall-skinny tires. Do they run a block tread pattern or a modern zig-zag pattern"?
Rod Green added:
"I also use pre war skinny Blockleys, and they are great road/race tires (J2/Riley). Those on my twin cam are 5 stud [maybe 5-block?]. I'm hoping they will be a usable compromise between light competition and road. Michelin have their own specialist division producing competition tires for old cars. Avon produce a great high profile competition tyre which is FIA approved and great for MGB etc where one races under FIA rules. It would work on the road. Not pot holed African roads, though"!
Daryl Verkerk asked:
"Do you know if the Coker Michelin tires are actually made by Michelin? Is it possible that Coker has the molds and the tires are made by another tire maker under license from Michelin"?
"I think you are right about Coker having the molds and having the tires produced as needed. I somehow doubt Michelin is actually manufacturing them, but I can't be sure. It is probably a third party".
Michelin XAS tires are still an option. These have an asymmetrical tread pattern, originally intended for better performance. If you drive them hard in competition, and the outside shoulder wears out early, you would not want to reverse them on the rim. These are no longer made by Michelin in these sizes. They are available from Coker Tire, for about five times the price of other modern radial tires, but I don't know who currently does the manufacturing. They were state of the art excellent tires when first produced in 1965. I haven't tried the reproduction Michelin tires recently, so I can't make a current judgment. From my past experience with Michelin XZX tires in the late 80s and early 90's, those tires were very long wearing, but not quite as good as others for road grip. In today's environment I don't suppose I would call these "competition" tires, but if you are vintage racing and the rules require vintage type tires, these may fill the bill.
Silas Kinsey wrote:
"Pirelli makes a 175/70VR15 tire specifically for vintage racing classes in Europe. These are the old CN36 Cinturato, and I would prefer these over Michelin for a similar price ($249). However, these should really be mounted on a 5" rim. Don't be tempted to try the 155 series Pirelli. These are too small".
So there you go, at least for a good start. All that chat in just a day or two, and some very good tips. You can spend a lot of time searching for the Holy Grail.